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- 1977-06-04 ( check for other copies)
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- DeadLists Project
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Promised Land, Tennessee Jed, El Paso, Peggy-O, Jack Straw, Friend Of The Devil, Lazy Lightning-> Supplication, Candyman, Minglewood Blues, Brown Eyed Women, The Music Never Stopped Samson & Delilah, Ship of Fools, Estimated Prophet-> Eyes Of The World-> Drums-> Good Lovin', Terrapin Station-> Playin' In The Band-> Franklin's Tower-> China Doll-> Not Fade Away-> Playin' In The Band, E: One More Saturday Night
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Rob Bertrando - FOB akg D224Es > Sony TC-153 cassette > CDR? > Rich Plumb DAT > Teddy GoodBear Computer (no edit) > SHN; to abgd; note track names with punctuated song titles may cause probs for some
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- 2004-04-30 11:17:14
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- gd77-06-04.bertrando.goodbear.3417.sbeok.shnf
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- FOB akg D224Es > Sony TC-153 cassette > CDR? > DAT > Computer (no edit) > SHN
- Location
- Inglewood, CA
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- Rob Bertrando
- Type
- sound
- Venue
- The Forum
- Year
- 1977
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Reviewer:
Wally Gator
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May 27, 2011
Subject: A Very Very Good Show
Subject: A Very Very Good Show
Andy Lemieux said in the Taper's Compendium, "If a soundboard of this show circulated, it would cause people to rethink which shows they think of first
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when 1977 is mentioned." Rating: 4.51
Reviewer:
dcain
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November 2, 2008
Subject: pretty good recording
Subject: pretty good recording
Don't be put off by Promised Land (Garcia sounds distant, and Keith too forward). The rest of it, at least from Lazy Lightning on, is a very nice audience
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recording.
Candyman has a special flavor to it. Coming into Not Fade Away they found themselves at a tempo nearly twice as fast as usual; remarkable that they were able to handle it. In the reprise of Playing in the Band, they push the envelope on pin-drop quiet, and get within a whisper of dissipating into total silence.
Candyman has a special flavor to it. Coming into Not Fade Away they found themselves at a tempo nearly twice as fast as usual; remarkable that they were able to handle it. In the reprise of Playing in the Band, they push the envelope on pin-drop quiet, and get within a whisper of dissipating into total silence.
Reviewer:
2Tapes
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September 14, 2008 (edited)
Subject: The Fabulous Forum
Subject: The Fabulous Forum
....This show knocked my socks that night and would be my fave that I saw in '77 if it wasn't for the 2/26 Swing show....But it's close as this one flat
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out smokes...
Reviewer:
Shiva Ho
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June 7, 2008
Subject: DSO version from 2008-06-02
Subject: DSO version from 2008-06-02
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There's a new DSO version of this setlist...
http://www.archive.org/details/dso2008-06-02.aud.shivaho.flac16
http://www.archive.org/details/dso2008-06-02.aud.shivaho.flac16
Reviewer:
azjones
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April 27, 2008
Subject: Know John Redfern and met Ray "Augy"
Subject: Know John Redfern and met Ray "Augy"
Hey I wish there were a soundboard of this. It,s one of the greatest set lists of all time. Ive been looking for one for 20 plus years and it has never
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surfaced. Kind of like Lewiston Maine 1980. Wow seeing the previous reviews about Augy and John Redfern blows my mind. I got into the Dead because my roomate Brian B. was a Deadhead that John Redfern turned on to the Dead. I met Ray through John. I live in Arizona now. The archive sure beats the old tapes we coveted back in those days. Thanks John for sharing your passion. I hope your lives are all going well. I give it 4 stars just for the set list even though the sound quality is not what I'm looking for.
Reviewer:
Joe Colella
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December 12, 2006
Subject: Joe Colella with Augy at this show! GREAT SHOW
Subject: Joe Colella with Augy at this show! GREAT SHOW
I was with Ray Augustine(Augy)at this show and yes we were late!I remember that rinky dink deck that John recorded with and was one of the young guys that
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burnt up multiple copies that Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring all the Seasons heard this show. Also LOVED the Peggy-O,(always what I've called it right or wrong) and the smoking jams on all the songs throughout the evening. From memory (I have not heard this stream yet and will report more later) of that rinky dink tape, the Lazy Lightning, Supplication smokes along with Mingelwood,BEW,Candyman, ETC. ETC. ETC.! I love the Grateful Dead and this show is chock full of sweet, sweet tunes. I think all will agree, what a SET LIST!!!I went to High School with Augy so if anyone reads this PLEASE get him to e-mail me at joecolella@comcast.net otherwise please keep the e-mail address free from strangeness, please...my 14 year old Daughter uses this PC too...
Love to you all,
Joe Colella STILL Playing my brains out on a Jerry Replica thorugh a Makintosh2300>preamped by a Cutler desigend twin pre-amp>into 3 of the original, yes maybe even used at this ahow, 3x12 JBL-E120's..
Love to you all,
Joe Colella STILL Playing my brains out on a Jerry Replica thorugh a Makintosh2300>preamped by a Cutler desigend twin pre-amp>into 3 of the original, yes maybe even used at this ahow, 3x12 JBL-E120's..
Reviewer:
capn doubledose
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July 17, 2005 (edited)
Subject: Calling this a 5 is a reach
Subject: Calling this a 5 is a reach
This is missing promised land and lazy lightning and there is like someone said an imbecile that cannot shut up in peggio. That said, there are some sweet
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parts to this as well and the quality overall is quite nice. There are missing tracks in this....
Reviewer:
Scott2005
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March 22, 2005
Subject: Keith´s synthesizer
Subject: Keith´s synthesizer
A note on the Keith synth-topic. The first polyphonic synthesizer, the PolyMoog, was released in 1975, two years prior to these shows. From Spring and
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throughout the year, Keith was using a PolyMoog in addition to his piano, for the keyboardparts on Loser and Estimated. This can clearly be seen in the videos from the Capitol in April. So it wasn´t an electric organ which some might think.
Reviewer:
birdsgosouth
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March 2, 2005
Subject: Innnaresting
Subject: Innnaresting
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Playin doesn't lift off so Jer busts into Franklin's....China Doll is nice.....the NFA is real fast, like Samson....not essential but a curious listen.
Reviewer:
DamnRebel
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February 27, 2005
Subject: Terrific!
Subject: Terrific!
I completely agree with the previous posts, that it's a great show and a good AUD recording. To my ears, the band sounds a little tired in the first set,
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which is completely understandable in their first show back in CA after the monumental Spring eastern tour. (Not bad, mind you, just tired. Less energy -- natural or chemical -- than the famed Winterland shows a few days later.)
But in the second set the residual May Magic kicks in, and from Terrapin to the end, the band is ON. Vintage '77 all the way, and the Playin' sandwich is indeed delicious -- YUM! Highly recommended.
But in the second set the residual May Magic kicks in, and from Terrapin to the end, the band is ON. Vintage '77 all the way, and the Playin' sandwich is indeed delicious -- YUM! Highly recommended.
Reviewer:
gonzoc
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September 9, 2004 (edited)
Subject: Just look at that second set list...
Subject: Just look at that second set list...
And the era it's being played in. Only slight problem in the first set (that I noticed) was the knucklehead who just *had* to carry a conversation on
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during the first minute or two of Peggy-O. But you know you want that big juicy Playin sandwich, with the Terrapin and Estimated>Eyes on the side. It won't disappoint (nice sounding AUD). So what are you waiting for?
Reviewer:
Augy
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May 20, 2004 (edited)
Subject: Where was Betty? My 4th show, 1st personally attended with a taper so we got it immediately!
Subject: Where was Betty? My 4th show, 1st personally attended with a taper so we got it immediately!
By the way, for those of you who are looking for a board tape of this, to my knowledge Betty didn't record this one very unfortunately; but like usual
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Dr. Rob Bertrando did a great job in the audience!
Firstly, I don't know what you folks are talking about who mentioned missing tunes etc. It seems to all here to me! Secondly, a little explaining here about what may seem now to be unimportant, but if you'll bare with me; I think you can see that the following is very different from what later on was almost always the case. That is, a solid 3 hours + break, instead of them being the ones who, as many of you know, often were late! What I'm talking about is Weir saying, just before "Friend of the Devil" : "And next time we'll try a little harder to be on time". This is probably since the Forum in those days was rather strict about ending a show within curfew, ie. how else could they play longer than most bands and still make curfew. However luckily, unlike many including me (us), Dr. Rob Bertrando was in there ready to record the opener!
I say this because we were far, far from being the only ones late. So rather than as some reviewers surmised who weren't there, that they felt as though they were tired after the East Coast, and perhaps they were. Or was it that much of the reserved floor seats were still empty after we got into the performance which had been going since 7:00 PM?
In my (our) particular case, we were late mostly due to the adjacent Hollywood Park Horse Race Track getting out at the same time as we were coming in. I'd just graduated from Redondo (Beach) Union High. My friend John Redfern, who'd drove a bunch of us younger folks to the show, recorded most of this on a rinky-dink recorder from where we were (Loge on the right side); that is after we finally got thorough the traffic and inside midway through Tennessee Jed I remember I was handing over my ticket. Being in a group, naturally we had lame tickets.
But alas, we tripped on that not so bad recording all summer long, being the first time I had a recording of a show I'd actually attended. Especially my all time favorite, yet short, but incredible rendition of, (yes, they played it much longer at for example, Winterland several times etc.); and despite the talking during the beginning : Fernario!! Check out how the drummers come thumping back to bring Jerry around for the next go round of the chord progression in the middle of the instrumental. (I didn't get my 1st copy of Rob's complete recording until some time near the end of the year.) And I didn't actually meet him until exactly a year later at the U.C.S.B. show, (also killer)!
I had this feeling in the back of my mind that I'd heard the Terrapin ending theme somewhere before, (even though it hadn't yet been released on vinyl at the time of this Forum show)? I surmised at the time mistakenly that perhaps, it was similar to a classical melody or something like that, wrong! It turned out, the true answer to this feeling eventually was revealed to me when I eventually got an audience tape of my 3rd show at the Swing Aud. in San Bernadino 1977-2-26; (which was later burned down after after a plane crashed into it, two years later during which Grateful Dead played there again several times. Anyway, since that was a general admission show I was naturally in front and therefore I now clearly recall, what many of you now know, was the debut of Terrapin Station and Estimated Prophet! But in between time, my memory started to fade a bit naturally, since I still didn't have a tape of a show I had actually attended until this Forum show. Nevertheless, it still stuck in my sub-conscious for another 3 1/2 months.
So visualize if you can what the band looked like at this and ALL of my first four shows, (that is, by coincidence they were all where the same clothes at each of these shows, not just Garcia in black), by looking inside the final vinyl double Warner Bros. collection, release, (ie. to fulfill the record contract), "What a long strange Trip" album. Inside there are good photos of my 1st show which was the second one with the Who at Oakland Stadium 1976-10-10. (My 2nd, the second one at the Shrine in L.A., 1976-10-15). The greatest of all these was the this Forum show in my opinion (even as fantastic as the first three were). Not only of course skinny Jerry in black with "The enemy is listening" sticker on his white Travis Bean guitar with the aluminum neck; but also Donna in her green dress and sunglasses, Phil on the bass with the 10 buttons, Bob with his maroon shirt and still with a beard, and Keith with the Grand piano, which from the loge at the Forum show one could see the big "thunder skull" on the piano cover.
It also must be noted that The Forum was one of the most difficult venues to sneak equipment into, so I'd really like to know how Rob got his stuff in! Did he have a backstage passes or what? I personally, later managed to sneak in my gear for the Allman Bros. in 1979 at The Forum and even later with the help of a new found friend working security for the Eagles in 1980. Unfortunately, this relationship dissolved shortly thereafter, for other reasons beyond my control and obviously it was again difficult to get stuff in there.
Moreover, Rob's recording has a lot of dynamic range and a good drum and bass response. Except at the beginning which maybe is more a function of getting the P.A. tuned as is often the case! Healy seemed to be able to tune this venue; despite it's notoriously bad acoustics even though it was their first time there. I remember several concerts at The Forum besides those I've mentioned and only Genesis in 1977 seemed to compare in terms of sound!
This was a totally energized performance in my opinion regardless of what those who thought they were tired say all the way through! There ain't many out of the approximately 211 shows I attended that I can say that about absolutely! To reiterate again, most notably the Fernario was in my opinion the absolutely greatest ever!
Enjoy,
Augy
San Diego
Firstly, I don't know what you folks are talking about who mentioned missing tunes etc. It seems to all here to me! Secondly, a little explaining here about what may seem now to be unimportant, but if you'll bare with me; I think you can see that the following is very different from what later on was almost always the case. That is, a solid 3 hours + break, instead of them being the ones who, as many of you know, often were late! What I'm talking about is Weir saying, just before "Friend of the Devil" : "And next time we'll try a little harder to be on time". This is probably since the Forum in those days was rather strict about ending a show within curfew, ie. how else could they play longer than most bands and still make curfew. However luckily, unlike many including me (us), Dr. Rob Bertrando was in there ready to record the opener!
I say this because we were far, far from being the only ones late. So rather than as some reviewers surmised who weren't there, that they felt as though they were tired after the East Coast, and perhaps they were. Or was it that much of the reserved floor seats were still empty after we got into the performance which had been going since 7:00 PM?
In my (our) particular case, we were late mostly due to the adjacent Hollywood Park Horse Race Track getting out at the same time as we were coming in. I'd just graduated from Redondo (Beach) Union High. My friend John Redfern, who'd drove a bunch of us younger folks to the show, recorded most of this on a rinky-dink recorder from where we were (Loge on the right side); that is after we finally got thorough the traffic and inside midway through Tennessee Jed I remember I was handing over my ticket. Being in a group, naturally we had lame tickets.
But alas, we tripped on that not so bad recording all summer long, being the first time I had a recording of a show I'd actually attended. Especially my all time favorite, yet short, but incredible rendition of, (yes, they played it much longer at for example, Winterland several times etc.); and despite the talking during the beginning : Fernario!! Check out how the drummers come thumping back to bring Jerry around for the next go round of the chord progression in the middle of the instrumental. (I didn't get my 1st copy of Rob's complete recording until some time near the end of the year.) And I didn't actually meet him until exactly a year later at the U.C.S.B. show, (also killer)!
I had this feeling in the back of my mind that I'd heard the Terrapin ending theme somewhere before, (even though it hadn't yet been released on vinyl at the time of this Forum show)? I surmised at the time mistakenly that perhaps, it was similar to a classical melody or something like that, wrong! It turned out, the true answer to this feeling eventually was revealed to me when I eventually got an audience tape of my 3rd show at the Swing Aud. in San Bernadino 1977-2-26; (which was later burned down after after a plane crashed into it, two years later during which Grateful Dead played there again several times. Anyway, since that was a general admission show I was naturally in front and therefore I now clearly recall, what many of you now know, was the debut of Terrapin Station and Estimated Prophet! But in between time, my memory started to fade a bit naturally, since I still didn't have a tape of a show I had actually attended until this Forum show. Nevertheless, it still stuck in my sub-conscious for another 3 1/2 months.
So visualize if you can what the band looked like at this and ALL of my first four shows, (that is, by coincidence they were all where the same clothes at each of these shows, not just Garcia in black), by looking inside the final vinyl double Warner Bros. collection, release, (ie. to fulfill the record contract), "What a long strange Trip" album. Inside there are good photos of my 1st show which was the second one with the Who at Oakland Stadium 1976-10-10. (My 2nd, the second one at the Shrine in L.A., 1976-10-15). The greatest of all these was the this Forum show in my opinion (even as fantastic as the first three were). Not only of course skinny Jerry in black with "The enemy is listening" sticker on his white Travis Bean guitar with the aluminum neck; but also Donna in her green dress and sunglasses, Phil on the bass with the 10 buttons, Bob with his maroon shirt and still with a beard, and Keith with the Grand piano, which from the loge at the Forum show one could see the big "thunder skull" on the piano cover.
It also must be noted that The Forum was one of the most difficult venues to sneak equipment into, so I'd really like to know how Rob got his stuff in! Did he have a backstage passes or what? I personally, later managed to sneak in my gear for the Allman Bros. in 1979 at The Forum and even later with the help of a new found friend working security for the Eagles in 1980. Unfortunately, this relationship dissolved shortly thereafter, for other reasons beyond my control and obviously it was again difficult to get stuff in there.
Moreover, Rob's recording has a lot of dynamic range and a good drum and bass response. Except at the beginning which maybe is more a function of getting the P.A. tuned as is often the case! Healy seemed to be able to tune this venue; despite it's notoriously bad acoustics even though it was their first time there. I remember several concerts at The Forum besides those I've mentioned and only Genesis in 1977 seemed to compare in terms of sound!
This was a totally energized performance in my opinion regardless of what those who thought they were tired say all the way through! There ain't many out of the approximately 211 shows I attended that I can say that about absolutely! To reiterate again, most notably the Fernario was in my opinion the absolutely greatest ever!
Enjoy,
Augy
San Diego
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